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Trump cites Iraq withdrawal he passionately supported to say Obama “founded ISIS”

Andrew Kaczynski and Nathan McDermott, Buzzfeed:

Donald Trump has said repeatedly during the campaign that President Obama “founded ISIS,” a remark that has come under scrutiny in recent days.

“He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder. He founded ISIS,” Trump said at a Wednesday rally.

Trump has cited the conservative critique of President Obama’s Iraq policy — that the withdrawal of troops in 2011 led to a power vacuum that allowed ISIS to flourish — in making the claim.

“He was the founder of ISIS, absolutely,” Trump said on CNBC on Thursday. “The way he removed our troops — you shouldn’t have gone in. I was against the war in Iraq. Totally against it.” (Trump was not against the war as he has repeatedly claimed.) “The way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, OK?” Trump later said.

But lost in Trump’s immediate comments is that, for years, he pushed passionately and forcefully for the same immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq. In interview after interview in the later 2000s, Trump said American forces should be removed from Iraq.

“First, I’d get out of Iraq right now,” Trump said to British GQ in a 2008 interview. “And by the way, I am the greatest hawk who ever lived, a far greater hawk even than Bush. I am the most militant military human being who ever lived. I’d rebuild our military arsenal, and make sure we had the finest weapons in the world. Because countries such as Russia have no respect for us, they laugh at us. Look at what happened in Georgia, a place we were supposed to be protecting.”

The “greatest hawk [and] most militant military human being” got multiple draft deferments when it was his time to serve.

Donald Trump, coward and chickenhawk, criticizes the parents of a dead war hero

Donald Trump responds to the Khan family: ‘Maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say’ – Philip Bump, The Washington Post.

Donald Trump has spoken out about Khizr Khan, the father of a soldier killed in Iraq who issued a devastating critique of Trump at the Democratic convention.

Khan, his wife, Ghazala, at his side, demanded that Trump read the Constitution when considering his proposal to bar Muslims from the country, pulling a copy of the document of his pocket and offering to lend it to the Republican nominee. Had Trump’s policies been in place, he said, his family wouldn’t have been in the country, and his son Humayun Khan would not have served in Iraq, giving his life to save his men. “You have sacrificed nothing and no one,” Khan said to Trump.

Trump’s response to the New York Times’s Maureen Dowd was brief: “I’d like to hear his wife say something.”

If your assumption was that Trump was suggesting that, as a Muslim woman, Ghazala Khan may have been forced into a position of subservience, Trump made that point explicitly in an interview with ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos.

“I saw him,” Trump said of the speech. “He was very emotional and probably looked like a nice guy to me. His wife … if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say.”

“She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump continued.

Trump the coward also says he sacrificed plenty, creating thousands of jobs and donating to veterans’ causes. Because that’s totally the same as dying for your country.

Always, Donald says “maybe… you tell me.” The big orange baby can’t just state his bigotry outright.

“The lesson of Vietnam is that we refuse to learn any lessons from Vietnam.”

Even to dare mention the lesson of Vietnam is to risk painting oneself as weak-willed and lily-livered — to say nothing about being old enough to actually remember Vietnam.

But I think there was a lesson, no matter how unlearned, nonetheless: We poured troops and weaponry into a unwinnable war in order to prop up a despotic government for reckless and unfounded political reasons — the domino theory, which stated that if we didn’t defeat the communists in Vietnam, we would someday be battling them on the Golden Gate Bridge.

As it turned out, after the deaths of more than 58,000 U.S. combat troops, we lost the Vietnam War and evacuated our embassy employees off the embassy roof in Saigon by helicopter in April 1975, in one of the most humiliating film clips in U.S. history.

The dominoes did not fall. Vietnam has bought nearly $2.5 billion in U.S. goods so far in 2014. The red menace is now our red trading partner.

So it goes. Having “left” Iraq after the deaths of 4,500 U.S. troops and an incredible $2 trillion spent, we are now heading back to prop up a murderous despot, who has carried out a religious war against his enemies in part by using U.S. arms.

If Baghdad Falls

Shep Smith: The Same People Who Were Wrong About Iraq Now Want Us To Go Back

The same people who 12 years ago told us this will be quick, this will be easy, this will be inexpensive, they will see us as liberators, it’s the right thing to do, are now telling us: It’s the right thing to do. What’s the endgame? Who’s thought this through?

That’s the right question: What’s the endgame? Other good questions: Is the goal achievable through military force? Can we afford the expense, in blood and money?

Sure, letting Bagdhad fall to Islamicists is terrible. But propping up a corrupt, incompetent government doesn’t seem worth spilling blood. It also doesn’t seem worth spending billions of dollars that could be spent at home, improving roads and schools.

We don’t have a great track record fixing broken countries. We just bomb the shit out of them. If you think that makes them better, try this experiment: Is your house messy? Are you overwhelmed by the clutter and dirt? Here’s a fix: Burn down the house with all your possessions and pets inside and your children asleep in their beds. Are you better off now than you were before?

Shep Smith: The Same People Who Were Wrong About Iraq Now Want Us To Go Back